Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation with Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander, Rabbi Ben Abrahamson, and Mr. Samuel Sokol from Jerusalem Post (A9 TV, April 14th, 2013)
From Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation on A9 TV dated April 14th, 2013
OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening dear viewers. Tonight we have very esteemed guests from Israel. Sitting on the right end of the table we have Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander. He is a member of Sanhedrin the Rabbinical Court and associate Justice on the Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah. Our other guest sitting right beside him is Mr. Samuel Sokol, the representative of the Jerusalem Post, the most read [English] newspaper in Israel. And our other guest is Rabbi Ben Abrahamson. He is a historian and and he has been serving as the consultant at Jerusalem Rabbinical Court on matters about Islam since 2004. Furthermore, he is serving as the administrator of the History of Islam and Judaism Research Committee. Please you go on Master, insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Welcome. You have been so kind, you have honored us, you brought us grace. Yes, please. I am listening to your questions. Insha'Allah [God willing], we will have a beautiful conversation.
SAMUEL SOKOL: Alright. Thanks for having me. The first place we would obviously have to start is asking about the recent attempts at bridging the divide between Turkey and Israel, between Ankara and Jerusalem. Prime Minister Netanyahu has expressed regret over the deaths on the Mavi Marmara. Where do you see the relations between the two countries going from here? What's next?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, it is very positive; I have discussed this issue previously as well. The Committee that previously visited also asked about how to handle this issue. I told them that an apology would be very effective. Indeed the apology had an impact of at least 90 percent upon the Turkish people. Apology is a form of courtesy, it is a kindness. It is a display of respect, and our nation has met this beautiful attitude kindly. There has been positive progress, a betterment between the Israeli - Turkish relations. We have seen it, and so has everyone else.
OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.
SAMUEL SOKOL: So, tell me a little bit about [things]; you've had been involved in efforts at dialogue between different cultures. And you recently had the representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you believe that there is a chance for dialogue with the Brotherhood or is there any way of bearing over the differences? They are pretty outspoken against Israel and against Jews.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, members of Muslim Brotherhood came here, and before that we were in touch with them. We talked; we said, "Let there be 'a sea of friendship', in which Israel will also be included. A community of friendship that will include Turkey, Israel, Egypt, Jordan and all Islamic countries, which we call the Turkish-Islamic Union." We expressed our desire for such a structure and they accepted it warmly. But of course there is an opposition against Jews in the public opinion. It is a kind of trend, that is an unpleasant trend. Among some circles, opposition to Jews is known as a sign of a faithful Muslim while the fact is, according to the Qur'an, it is an aberrant attitude, an erroneous view. I assume they are also a bit under the influence of that pressure. But I saw a serious sign in their hearts that they consider the uniting of Israel with Turkey and Egypt as good. And I also noticed it in their styles. But public opinion is not a structure that can be monitored readily. It is not easy to guide public opinion. What matters is that, in their hearts, the administrators harbor a warm perception of Islam which is full of love, but once the public opinion drags a person towards a particular notion, if he is not really a very strong, astute leader, he may be pulled along. One needs to be very resolute. If he remains resolute and displays a strong attitude, I think that the issue will be resolved.
RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: I am waiting now to get an invitation to meet Muslim Brotherhood people here.
ADNAN OKTAR: I will settle this, I will settle it, because I've received the sign for that. There is no reason why it shouldn't happen. You are like holy light. You are the descendants of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) who have faith in Allah and love Allah. They are also the descendants of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and of Prophet Ishmael (pbuh). We will get together, converse and talk. We will go up to Mount Sinai and dine there. We will go to Jordan and converse there. The entire region belongs to all of us. By Allah's leave, I always state this, we will abolish the walls of Israel and embrace you with love. No blood, no tears, no terror or anarchy will remain. We will also reconstruct Prophet Solomon's (pbuh) Temple, but it will be exactly the same, with all its grace and glory. There is already a little time left to the end of the world. I believe Almighty Allah has already sent King Moshiach, and by that beautiful guidance of his, this blessed period will begin. The Torah was saying that Moshiach would be coming for 4,000 years. Now we see that this is real. The Israeli state has already been established, the gate of peace has been opened. In the past the possibility of peace was almost non-existent. But the gate of peace has now opened. I promise you insha'Allah, I will make you sit around a table with the Muslim Brotherhood. Insha'Allah.
RABBI HOLLANDER: Insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. There is no reason whatsoever why it shouldn't happen. No reason at all. We all believe in the same Allah and in One Allah and you are devout people. You have awe of Allah, you have love for Allah, you believe in Paradise and Hell. Briefly, being against you makes no sense, and it does not have any explanation. We will most definitely do this. They [Muslim Brotherhood] also say "Allah is One", they believe in Paradise and Hell, they love Allah very much. We have almost everything in common. That is, many of the tenets of faith are the same. This is sufficient for us to love one another. Insha'Allah.
RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: Insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. You go on.
SAMUEL SOKOL: Yes, I am interested a little bit in the activities you engage in around the world. The distribution of books, the television channel. Can you tell me a little bit about your international network, about how you operate and what you've accomplished? And what you are setting out to accomplish?
ADNAN OKTAR: For all the world to be purified from terror and anarchy, for everyone to become brothers and especially for Christians, Jews and Muslims to live together without wars as brothers with a spirit that is in love with Allah, with a soul that loves Allah deeply. Let us make the world prosperous, let all the lands become vineyards and beautiful gardens, let everywhere be beautiful. Those walls around Israel disturb us; let us tear down those walls and open up the land so that Israel can become free. Let them live in Jordan as well, let them come to the Southeast of Turkey, let them live everywhere freely, let fear disappear, let the weapons be silenced: I mean those suicide bombers, other bombs and all that should disappear. Let everything be like the time of the Prophet Moses, like the time of the Prophet Abraham. Let us slaughter lamb in Harran, sacrifice animals, let us dine altogether in Harran, let thousands of people gather. Let there be Jewish youngsters, let there be Muslim youngsters, let there be Christian youngsters around, let everyone be free in their own prayers. Let Israel remain in it's national borders, let it be free as a state, let all the states be independent in its domestic and foreign affairs. But there should be no end to love, there should be a boundless affection and love. This tension is all arbitrary, there is no solid reason, there is no logic, it is absolutely unnecessary. People are annoyed arbitrarily, they are disturbed. For instance, look; Egypt is in a mess, why should something like that happen? Let us make Egypt shimmering clean. Let it be like Paris, like London, let it be spotlessly clean. Let Jews go there very easily. Let them go to the places the Prophet Moses (pbuh) lived before, right? You should be able to go to the places you used to live before, come here to Harran. Come there as well. Let us have discourses there altogether as well. Let us go to the Temple of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh), let us perform our prayers there, you should go and have your prayers there. Let Christians go and perform their prayers there. Actually there is no obstacle in front of this. This is all because of people's egos, all because of their spirit of animosity, their spirit of pushing each other around and because it is like a trend, an evil trend: That is why such things happen. Or else, the animosity against Jews for instance has no logic at all; it is an atrocious trend and nothing else. People ask me, "Do you not follow this trend? Well, that's surprising, how could you not follow that trend? Look around, everyone follows these trends." My brother this trend is fundamentally wrong, it is wrong to the root of it. They say that stones will give notice and say "Kill the Jew." Well now a psychopath might come up and say, "Stones and trees have given notice to me," a five year old Jewish girl for instance, and the man might go and kill that little girl. When we ask why he did that, he would say, "The stone gave notice to me, the wood gave notice to me, the trees gave notice to me!" This happens in schizophrenia, in mental diseases. Stones, trees do not speak to people. If you go and kill a person saying that the tree told you of him, that would be murder, that would be barbarity; that would be psychopathy - that is a horrible thing. If you step up and say that the Prophet said it, you would be making the gravest slander, you would be carrying out one of the gravest assaults against religion. I mean what does it mean to accept that while passing by a poplar tree or a willow tree or an oak tree while the kids are playing around, a man would come up and say, " The tree just now gave me notice of them," and slaughter all the children there. And we would say, "Why did you do this?" And he would –may Allah forbid- say, "Allah gave me the notice, the tree brought me the news!" That is claiming that he is receiving a revelation, that is outright blasphemy. That is blasphemy and that is an atrocious cruelty; that is the spirit of a killer. For that reason even though I keep explaining such illogical practices, I am telling people about this, but I really am surprised at people who believe in this. I mean it is even astonishing that I am left in a position that I should have to explain this. I mean seeing people advocate such an irrational thing, we are left in a position to give answers to such irrational, such unreasonable accounts. All these weird practices will disappear. Please go on.
SAMUEL SOKOL: Do you have any? I'd be very interested in hearing a dialogue between you and the Rabbis about the reasons that you are holding this interfaith dialogue. I am very interested in seeing the commonalities that both groups here at this table have together and I would like to hear what both of you have to say to each other.
ADNAN OKTAR: Dialogue. Well there is friendship, there is conversation. The word dialogue seems a bit off to me. This is not dialogue. For instance, I love you all very much and I miss you, so I invite you. And you are accepting and honoring my invitation. I invited you here merely because I missed you. And you came, I loved that a lot for instance. Our God is One. We believe in the same Allah. We believe in the same angels. We both believe in Heaven and Hell. We love the Prophet Abraham, we love the Prophet Isaac, we love the Prophet Jacob, and we love the Prophet Noah. We do have a common love for the Prophets as well. And that is enough.
OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.
RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: So, why should there be any problem?
SAMUEL SOKOL: Can you tell me a little bit about your relations with various Israeli politicians? I know people like Ayoob Kara have been here a number of times, Nissim Zeev. Dr. Babuna met with, I believe, with Eli Yishai, the former Interior Minister. Can you tell me a little bit about how that developed and how you began to engage with Israeli politicians?
ADNAN OKTAR: They love us and we do love them a lot. I really liked the love the Interior Minister showed to our friends. They have had their photos taken together. They have had talks; he has made some statements, paid some compliments. And we thank him for that as well. As far as I see, all the Israeli politicians, all the ones I know of, are sincere and very well intentioned. They all want love, peace and brotherhood. I believe that this spirit of love and peace is developing step by step. For instance, I believe that the Muslim Brotherhood will embrace you in a very short time and I trust that we can ensure that. Yes, Insha'Allah. When this unnecessary tension which went on like vendetta will fundamentally be solved, we will understand that Moshiach has come as well. We will understand that the days the Prophet Moses (pbuh) promised us in the Torah have come. We will understand that the days our Prophet (saas) promised us have come. Lamb will be side by side with the wolf. A child will stick his finger into the snake's den yet the snake will not bite his finger. We are at this period right now. Technology has progressed, internet and this and that, we are in a period in which the highest technology is implemented. The environment of peace the Torah depicted is being formed at full speed. What does Almighty Allah say about the Moshiach? “Not with your strength but with My power you will be victorious”. Allah says, "I will give you that Power." And all the arrows, bows and spears will be broken. Allah says, "You will make plows from them." Meaning, you will be using them in agriculture. Allah says, "Weapons will be put aside." In the Torah, Allah promised these 4,000 years ago. And they all happen at this moment exactly as foretold. Exactly as foretold, we see that what the Torah said was true. We see that what our Prophet (saas) foretold was true. We are living in those days that the Prophet Moses talked about yearningly.
SAMUEL SOKOL: As I said before, I am very interested in hearing what the esteemed Rabbis from Israel had to say?
RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: First of all- excuse me- about the commonalities, Rabbi Abrahamson is definitely the expert. He is from the beginning, from before Islam, until today, he is the expert on Islam. And you are my expert on Islam; you are an expert for the Mufti of Istanbul and Islam. So with respect to the commonalities, definitely Rabbi Abrahamson has a place to speak and not me.
RABBI BEN ABRAHAMSON: One thing is very important; when I was looking, when I came before, before I came to this meeting, I did a Google search on the relationship between Turkey and Israel. And I didn't find anything that was listed before 1990. As if Israel and Turkey found each other 1990 and all of a sudden they got along. And it is not that way. I mean, we know, the religious people know, that from the very beginning when the Ottomans came to Istanbul, when they came to the Holy Land and they invited the Jewish people here, we have our own records. Tremendously beautiful descriptions of how the Ottoman leaders accepted and warmly respected the Jewish people. There is a quote, Sultan Beyazid, he welcomed the refugees, from our own writings it says that the Sultan sent men ahead and spread the word throughout his Kingdom and also in writing declaring that none of the officers in any of the cities should drive any of the Jews out, or expel them- the ones that had come as refugees from Spain but all of them should be welcomed cordially and respectfully. So this is something we have in our own tradition and if you look on Google or the internet you are not going to find it but we have this in our holy books, in our writings and in our histories.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. That love, that compassion, that spirit of watching over displayed by the Ottoman Empire has been the grace that we have been proudly talking of for centuries. Whenever this issue comes up, we always feel proud of that grace. How nice what our forefathers had done! How gracefully they had displayed that attitude, that hospitality! Now we will exhibit as much again. We will display that hospitality a thousand fold, for we are in the time of Moshiach.
"... Burn them [the weapons] up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears... They will use them for fuel... declares the Sovereign Lord." Ezekiel, 39:9-10.
"... In the last days... He [the Lord]... will settle disputes for many peoples... Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." It is said that there will be no longer any military exercises. "Every man will sit under his own vine and under his own fig tree," As you see everywhere will be vineyards and gardens. "And no one will make them afraid..." As you see, there is no anarchy, there is no terror. ".. for the Lord Almighty has spoken. " Allah says so. Where? Allah says this in the Torah. Micah, 4:1-4.
The exact words are also said by our Prophet (saas) in his hadiths.
"... Bow and sword and battle I will abolish from the land, so that all may lie down in safety." What does "safety" mean? There is no terror, no anarchy, no bloodshed, no violence, and no threat. Notice that it reads, "I will… [make them] lie down in safety." Hosea, 2:18.
"In this age there will be neither famine nor war," It is also said that there will be no economic crisis and no war. "[there will be] neither envy nor strife. All good things will be bestowed in abundance" Look, there will be a tremendous abundance. There will be economic prosperity, a wealth of possessions. "and all delicacies will be accessible like dust." Everything that is beautiful. For instance attire, shoes, food. How is it said in the Torah? "They will be like dust." Just within the reach of your hand. They will be all available like dust. " The occupation of the entire world will be only to know God." It is said that everyone will speak of Allah at that time. That era has come. Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings 12:5.
"The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them..." Moshiach. "The lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. " Notice that "the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy..." Isaiah, 11:6-9.
The very same is also the hadith of our Prophet (saas).
"... You will eat all the food you want and live in safety in your land. I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid." That is, walls are being removed. What does "wall" mean? "Wall" means fear. What do the security check points mean? That means fear prevails. Allah says that they will not exist. "I will remove savage beasts from the land," and these are the irreligious, faithless terrorists. Notice that "I will remove savage beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country." Allah says that the war will be over. The Torah says, Leviticus, 26:5-6.
This is not a story. This is real. There is a time predestined for it and that time has come.
RABBI BEN ABRAHAMSON: There is a beautiful quote by the Prophet Zephaniah. In Zephaniah, the third chapter, it says, "I will clarify the language of the nations, all the nations of the World and that they should call the Names of the Lord to serve Him shoulder to shoulder." And I thought about that hadith when I was watching some people pray. There is a hadith that Uthman Ben Affan cite in his khutbah. He says, "When the salat is ready, you should arrange the saffan (the ranks) properly, line up shoulder to shoulder." And I just had in my mind, that – you know, looking forward to this Golden Age and looking forward to this time of peace and brotherhood when all the nations will call upon the Lord. It is a beautiful time and it is a beautiful hope and it is something we have to head towards.
ADNAN OKTAR: "The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces..." Mothers won't cry, we will not suffer, we will feel no pain. Isaiah, 25:8.
"Gladness and joy will overtake them," Notice that it is both gladness and joy. "and sorrow and sighing will flee away." Currently sorrow and pain surround the world. With the efforts of Moshiach, by Almighty Allah making him instrumental, this scourge will be eliminated. Isaiah, 51:11.
"Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing." Isaiah, 51:3.
Moshiach "... shall speak peace unto the nations." Mahdi. Zechariah, 9:10.
Moshiach -Mahdi- will declare peace to the nations." Zechariah, 9:10. As I already said.
"The rightfulness of Moshiach," Mahdi, "and the wonders he will bring, will cause all people to make peace with him." That is, it is said that they will make peace by him being instrumental. Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings, 1o:1.
"He will redeem their soul from oppression and violence, and precious will their blood be in his sight." The human blood is precious. It is said that Moschiah prevents bloodshed. Psalm, 72:14.
"For he will deliver the needy who cry out, the afflicted who have no one to help." Notice that it reads, "the needy who cry out". This is social justice. Social justice. "He will deliver the needy who cry out." Psalm, 72:12.
"He will have pity on the poor and needy, and the souls of the needy he will save." Who? Moshiach, Mahdi. Psalm, 72:13.
If, insha'Allah, people comply with the words of Allah, and indeed they will do it, because when Allah says something, there exists not a second way, the world will be idyllic. Now we are in that very period. For instance, the Muslim Brotherhood, its name already suggests, "the Muslim Brother". A Muslim means a reliable person who has submitted himself [to Allah]. And you are the People of Book, the descendants of Prophet Abraham (pbuh). You say, Allah is One, you worship Allah, you pay meticulous attention to Allah's provisions. There is no reason not to love you. If there exists not a serious problem, that is, a psychological problem, there is no reason not to love you, for the Qur'an explains the provision about the People of the Book. The Qur'an allows us to marry the People of the Book. What does marriage mean? It means a very serious love. In the Qur'an, Allah allows us to eat their food. He says that we can eat their food. We can sit and dine together. Would one ever dine together with his foe? Would one ever marry his enemy? Therefore we are in this very time when this mischief, this disorder will come to an end. There may be some digressive statements, some reactionary attitudes. We are removing, and will remove, such adversity by wisdom, knowledge and the provisions of the Qur'an and the Torah, insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Let me say one hadith, for instance. Sunan ibn Majah. "Enmity and hatred between people will cease… Like the cup fills with water, so will earth fill with peace..." Notice that our Prophet (saas) says this. “Enmity and hatred between people will cease… Like the cup fills with water, so will earth fill with peace... There will be religious unity. Nobody but Allah will be worshipped. War will put down its burden." Sunan Ibn Majah, 10/334.
"There will be no enmity left between any people." Notice that it is said that "There will be no enmity left between any people. And all hostility, fighting, and envy will definitely disappear." Imam Sharani, Death-Doomsday-Hereafter and The Signs of the End Times, p. 496.
"Those who swear allegiance to him [Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), Moschiach] will swear allegiance between the Corner and the Maqam [near the Kaaba]. They will not waken the sleeper" Moschiach (Mahdi) will not wake someone sleeping. He wants him to be at ease. ".. and they will never shed blood." I am reading this from the Islamic literature. Our Prophet (saas) says so. They never shed any blood. What does the other one say? There is mention to shedding enormous amounts of blood. What does our Prophet (saas) say here? They never shed any blood. Al-Haythami, Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar, p. 24.
"In the time of - Moshiach - Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) no one will be woken up from their sleep or have a bleeding nose." It is said that even a nose will not bleed, let alone carnage, or terror. Notice that it is said even a nose will not bleed. Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi 'Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar. This is a very precious hadith collection that I've just referred, p. 44.
Mahdi, Moschiach will be so just that even a sleeping person is not woken up and not a drop of blood is shed.
Mahdi, Moshiach "His justice will be as such that he will not wake a sleeping person not even one drop of blood is shed." Where is anarchy, terror, cruelty? Notice that our Prophet (saas) does not allow a single drop of blood. In the hadith it is said that “The Earth will return to the age of happiness." Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi 'Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar, pages 29 and 48. These exist in two places. They are the same with the statements of our Prophet (saas). Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi 'Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar, p. 29 and 48.
SAMUEL SOKOL: Can you expand a little… You've mentioned the idea of Turkish Islamic Union about different countries in a spiritual union. What does that entail precisely? How does that work and how would that come about?
ADNAN OKTAR: Turkey, Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and even Russia, for we also consider Russia as an Islamic country. There are so many Muslims there. Armenia. The borders will be removed, but they will remain as national states having their independent domestic and foreign affairs. An anti- war, anti-terror, anti-anarchy unity that fiercely advocates peace and love. That is a unity that resolutely advocates zeal, enthusiasm, aesthetics, arts, democracy, science and everything that is beautiful. Once instilled in this way, all people would embrace love. People are open to inculcation; they go to war if you instill war and they make peace if you instill peace. They follow hatred if you instill hate, and they go to love if you instill in them love. The human soul is prone to love because those instilling war had been fierce, this inculcation has flourished to some extent. Otherwise if we expound peace, love to the youth, to the people, everyone will embrace it enthusiastically. Only an insane person embraces war. That is why war is not something that can be embraced by a person of sound mind. Why would ruthlessness and carnage exist? Also we are wise people, we settle everything by talking. If we do not harbor ambitions, act egoistically, be selfish, if we have awe of Allah and love Him very much, if we feel an ardent affection for the people created by Allah and be compassionate and merciful, then everything will be settled. This is possible with some talking, through a brief inculcation. It is Moschiach who will accomplish it; it is his followers, that is Mahdi. We are in his time, insha'Allah, we see this and we will continue to see this, insha'Allah.
RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: Insha'Allah. The way to get there is by meeting people.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. For instance we have had these meetings. In fact we did not meet so many times, only three to five times, but the affection felt for Jews in Turkey multiplied many times. There is no longer any opposition to Jews, nor any person who harbors any rage against Jews. Our Prime Minister made a statement, but we also expounded on what it meant. That tension has also defused. Following our Prime Minister, the government spokesman also made a statement. And our Prime Minister also made a statement. The purpose there is his being friendly, that is what he meant by Zionism was not that. That is because the Israelis' right to live there is a notion always advocated by our Prime Minister. No one can propound otherwise. Indeed the Qur'an refers to it, I have said this several times. As far as I am concerned, the devout are dominant in Israel and as their numbers grow, the strength of our friendship will also increase. That is, the devout Jews have a great impact in Israel. But from every religion there appear abnormal people; Jews have cruel ones among them and so do Muslims and Christians. But they are in the minority right now. They have no power. We are surely against them. We are against a cruel Muslim, a cruel Christian and a cruel Jew but so are the Jews and Christians. There is nothing to be baffled by it. If this is enough, we can end it with that.
SAMUEL SOKOL: I think so. Yes.
RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: I would like to thank you. I would like to thank you for what I have learned in contact with you and as a result of being in contact with you. I think we both benefitted from it very much. I think the book you published, "Wisdom and Sound Advice" the second edition was a great advance forward. And your quotations from the Rambam are a great advance forward and we would like to have a third edition in which the Muslim Brotherhood signs it too.
We look forward towards peace with all people who serve God. The Torah says, and I think from what I spoke to Sheikh Tamimi in Hebron. And I asked him if in Islam it also says that Moses was the most modest of people. And he said, "Yes." And I asked him, "How could Moses be not very proud? He brought ten plagues on Pharaoh, the first born sons of the Egyptians killed, they surrendered, he took the Jews out of Egypt. The Red Sea was split and he took the people through and he came to Sinai and he brought down the Torah. How could a person who did all of that be not proud?" And the Sheikh said I should give him the answer. And I gave him the answer. And the answer is, "If when a person's orientation is towards God, then he is not proud because compared with God we are all this small." If we really look towards God there will be peace. And we hope that people who think that they have to kill Jews to reach God will learn that this is very much a mistake. They should look to Him and they will be very close to God and they will live in peace with the Jewish people.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah.
RABBI BEN ABRAHAMSON: There is a beautiful hadith from Ali. The Prophet (saas) said that the key to prayer is cleanliness and it's consequent take is tahrir and its conclusion is taslim (submission). And at the end of the prayers you say to the right, to the left; "As-salaamun alaikum" also in our prayers, at the end three times a day when in public prayers and in also private prayers, we turn to left and to right and we wish Shalom. So the end of our prayer, both Muslim prayer and Jewish prayer, should be Shalom and Salam.
ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah give all of us goodness and beauty. Insha'Allah, may Allah show us that we are living in the times of the Messiah, may Allah bestow us the blessing of hugging King Messiah, the Mahdi. May Allah honor us with the blessing of seeing the world in peace, like Paradise. And in Paradise, may Allah, insha'Allah, make us brothers. May Allah not part us from the true path, from the right path. May Allah enable us to do the best of the truth. Thank you all very much; insha'Allah, we will meet again.
OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Alright.