Mr. Adnan Oktar's live conversation with Dr. Mordechai Kedar from Israel on A9 TV, October 3rd, 2011
Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Interview on A9 TV dated October 3rd, 2011
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Salamun alaikum.
ADNAN OKTAR: Alaikum Salam wa Rahmatullahi. How are you?
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Alhamdulillah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, masha'Allah, masha'Allah. It is very nice talking to you.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: Today we have met you and at the same time we will be conversing with you insha'Allah. But not only that, we also invite you to Turkey. We would also like to meet you in Turkey.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR:It would be my pleasure and my honor.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, we will be honored the same way and will feel very glad about this. Moreover we would like to host you in the most splendid way insha'Allah. Please welcome, let me hear your questions.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Mr. Oktar, I have been dealing with Islam, for many years, some 45 years, mainly in the university, in academia. And one main thing bothers me about this. Originally, Islam came to the world to unite the tribes, the ethnic groups. As it is stated in the Qur'an, "Wa-i 'tasimu bihabli Allahi jami'anw wa-la tafarraqu" means "All hold to the Qur'an, and do not disperse, do not become small groups which will fight each other." However, since the beginning, we see that there are problems between tribes, as we saw already in the Ridda wars, the first wars of tribes right after the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) passed away. And, furthermore, throughout Islamic history we see constant wars between ethnic groups which are all Muslims, mu'minun. We saw it between Arabs and Persians. We saw it until even today. We see it between Sunni and Shi'a, we see it between Baluchis and Persians, we see it between Arabs and Kurds and Turks and all this. Actually, there is some kind of failure, maybe, of Islam to become an Ummah, being one united nation which everybody will leave aside all the loyalties to the tribe, to the ethnic group, and become one Ummah. Where is the problem? Why still Islam has not yet succeeded to replace the loyalties of the people to the tribe or the ethnic group as we see until this day?
ADNAN OKTAR: Our Prophet (saas) told us all the events that would take place up until the judgment day after his death, in other words he gave us a historical map. At a certain time these things, and at another time others. He described the happenings with all their portents and complete details. And those occurrences came to happen with exactly the entire details he expounded. He told us that the Ummah would be divided, there would be corruption and disagreement between one another. He elucidated the succession of those events.. Those took place precisely the same way without any failure. Our Prophet (saas) says that first the term of his life is auspicious and secondly the end of times, in other words, the term of the Mahdi (pbuh) or King Messiah. Our Prophet (saas) says there is not much other than these. Therefore, we are not startled or surprised. We know that history follows its normal state of affairs, and destiny flows in its normal course. We are currently in the era of the King Messiah, the Mahdi (pbuh) and Shiloh who were spoken of by our Prophet (pbuh). Now, it is in this era that divisions, detachments, corruption and commotion come to an end. Wars are drawn to the close as well as all the unrest. This will be a period when brotherhood, peace and love will prevail. Therefore, both Israel will live in extensive peace and safety in such a way without precedent in its history and Muslims as well as other nations and the entire world will be in complete tranquility and safety. Our Prophet (saas) mentioned the portents related with that period. And all of these portents made the scene. We come across the same portents in the Torah. And we see that those portents have also taken place. In any case, profound scholars of Torah see or have seen that we are at the time of the King Messiah who is the Mahdi (pbuh). For that reason we are rejoicing with delight and excitement. And you should also rest assured that there will be no more wars after this, there will be no turmoil other than a few clashes as there will be no big wars. We are in such a course of events towards a land of peace, well being and beauty, and towards world dominion and world brotherhood.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Very well. This is the future, and actually I know these sources which talk about this future, but I'm talking about the 14 centuries in which we saw the history of the Islamic nations and this is actually my question. What went wrong? What is the problem which caused so many problems inside the Islamic Ummah so they can't cooperate with each other, they fight with each other and actually, how can this be explained especially since the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) gave this prophecy about peace all over the world in the future. What is it about the 14 centuries which were between his time and our times?
ADNAN OKTAR: The topic I was just mentioning is this one. Our Prophet (saas) says that there will not be such a unification following him and the Ummah would be divided. Namely, this is the destiny. Allah will create this in that way. He informs there will be unity only in the end times at the time of the Mahdi (pbuh), or King Messiah. We are now in that era. The intermediary periods are all left behind. This is actually stated in the Qur'an, our Prophet (saas) complains that – I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed satan – "My Lord, my people treat this Qur'an as something to be ignored." (Surat al-Furqan, 30) Allah reveals of "those who divide up their religion and form into sects." (Surat al-An'am, 159) These came to happen. Our Prophet (saas) expounded all the parts in detail, and even more, he mentioned of a period of unjust rulers. That period has also passed away. Now is the era of peace. If the contrary happened, then the sayings of the Prophet (saas) would come out to be wrong. What our Prophet (saas) told have all came true and this demonstrates that our Prophet (saas) is truthful and all what was said by our Prophet (saas) are miraculous. Furthermore, in the Qur'an it is revealed that events will take place in the same way, this is also a topic stated in the Qur'an. That is there will be a distortion in religion after our Prophet (pbuh). Yet, the reason why the King Messiah or the Madhi (pbuh) comes is to correct this distortion. Otherwise, the Mahdi (pbuh) would not come, King Messiah would not come. The reason for his coming is to correct this deformation that seems to be irrevocable or very difficult. Right now, we believe that the Mahdi (pbuh), King Messiah, the Shiloh has already come. We are currently within that period. We see this when we look at the Torah as well as the hadiths.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Yes, the question now is what are we doing now in order to bring this good time whether we implement the sharia wherever we can, especially the Islamic nation or we delegate the authority to the people, wherever they are in a democratic way only to have laws which are made by human beings. Which is the better way? Whether we should use the sharia as it is in the Books, or should we use parliaments in order to make new laws for the people as they are today?
ADNAN OKTAR:For us to bring about these beautiful times, we need to advocate peace and brotherhood our Prophet (saas) has told us, as explained to us in the Qur'an, as defined in the Torah and in the Gospel. We will approach people with love, we will approach them with reason and we will strive to remove weapons from the face of this world. We will show respect to the opinions of all people, we will show respect to their ideas. We will pray to Allah to bring us together with the King Messiah, with the Mahdi (pbuh), and we will beg for the help of Allah for granting us what Almighty Allah has preordained in destiny.
The salvation of the Islamic world will be with their submission to the Mahdi (pbuh); the salvation of Israel will be with their submission to the Mahdi (pbuh) as well, who is the King Messiah. That is because Jews pray to Allah three times a day to reach the King Messiah, to embrace the Shiloh. The appearance of the King Messiah is one of the most important prayers they have been asking from Allah for three thousand years. The time for that has come. Jews need to say that prayer to Allah again sincerely and take a pledge that they will abide by the King Messiah and they need to swear an oath for that. Muslims should be in search of the Mahdi (pbuh) and there should be a confidence, a determination in their hearts so that they will abide by him.
Let us give some evidence from the Torah and the hadiths, so that the matter would be better understood.
PRESENTER:I will read from the Torah first.
"I will take away the chariots... and the battle bow will be broken... He [King Messiah] will proclaim peace to the nations..." (Zechariah, 9:10)
"... Burn them [the weapons] up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears... They will use them for fuel... declares the Sovereign Lord." (Ezekiel, 39:9-10)
"... In the last days... He [the Lord]... will settle disputes for many peoples... Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Every man will sit under his own vine and under his own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid..." (Micah, 4:1-4)
"... Bow and sword and battle I will abolish from the land, so that all may lie down in safety." (Hosea, 2:18)
"In that time [King Messiah's era] there will be neither famine nor war, neither envy nor strife. All good things will be bestowed in abundance, and all delicacies will be accessible like dust." (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings 12:5)
"The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them... The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy..." (Isaiah, 11:6-9)
".... You will eat all the food you want and live in safety in your land. I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove savage beasts from the land..." (Leviticus, 26:5-6)
ADNAN OKTAR:Now read from the hadiths after you finish with that.
PRESENTER:Justice during the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]
"Earth will be filled with equity and justice, just as it was previously filled with oppression and tyranny." (Abu Dawud)
"... There will be no injustice or oppression under his [Hazrat Mahdi's, King Mashiach's] rule." (Ad-Dani)
"The earth fills with justice." (Imam Rabbani)
"He [Hazrat Mahdi, King Mashiach] will distribute wealth evenly among people. His justice will permeate everywhere. Earth, replete with violence and wickedness, will overflow with justice upon his arrival." (Ibn Hajar al-Haythami)
"The lord of believers (pbuh) says: '... The Imam [Hazrat Mahdi, King Mashiach] will better know what is true and what is false. He will do away with false laws. He [Hazrat Mahdi, King Mashiach] will prevent dangers and neutralize your unjust rulers and will cleanse the world of those who are not honest. He will act with equity and build a merciful scale of justice among you... If you wait, you will be rewarded and you will realize that is definitely the one who will salvage your rights and take revenge for the injustice inflicted upon you. I swear by the name of Allah, that Allah is with the truly devout and those who do good.'" (Kitab al Ghaybat, Muhammad Baqr al-Majlisi)
"If there were only one day left for the world, that day would be lengthened until a man from among the people of my household, was sent; just as the earth is filled with cruelty, he will fill the earth with justice." (Sunen-i Abu Dawud)
The Mahdi is one of my people, and he will fill the earth with truth and justice, just as it is now filled with cruelty and torture. (Sunan Abu Dawud, 5/93)
This [Hazrat Mahdi, King Mashiach] will fill the earth with justice, just as people previously filled it with cruelty. (Sunan Ibn Majah)
"People will seek refuge in the Mahdi as honey bees cluster around their sovereign. He will fill the world that was once full of cruelty, with justice..."
ADNAN OKTAR:You can finish with that.
PRESENTER:"... His justice will be as such that he will not wake a sleeping person or even shed one drop of blood. The earth will return to the age of happiness." (Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi 'Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar)
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes now tell me the second part of the question.
We are in a position to consider every state, every nation in such a way to show respect to their ideas. Israel will live by the faith they have, whatever it is. Iran will live by the faith they have, whatever it is. Turkey will live by the faith she has whatever it is. What Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will do is to ensure love, compassion, mercy and friendship. Stopping the wars, stopping the terror, ensuring cooperation and ensuring justice in the world. I mean it is not applying pressure to people.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: OK, what is the Islamic approach, the attitude of Islam to what happens these days in Syria or in Libya, for example?
ADNAN OKTAR:What has been going on in Syria is of course persecution. I mean a Muslim would not persecute another Muslim. There is sadism and cruelty in that. As you know the Syrian army has an atheistic training; they are at a Darwinist, materialist, atheist, Marxist, Leninist line. Consequently major part of the soldiers, the greater portion of them - I mean those who are in command, those who are trained by this upbringing - are able to treat people ruthlessly. They are ruthless, merciless people who are inclined to cruelty; those are people who do not regard others as humans. As far as I see they have a belief in which, as Darwin has said, the strong dominates, and the righteous does not prevail. We see the cruelty and sadism of the Marxist, Leninist way of thinking in them. Consequently the regime in Syria, the sadism of the deep state regime there is being condemned vehemently by the whole world. We of course are condemning that vehemently as well. A massive persecution is being executed. That is what we see and we hear that those we do not see are even fiercer. But our Prophet (saas) has foretold in great detail that such events will take place in Syria, in the time of Mahdi (pbuh) that is the time of the King Messiah; he (pbuh) did so by defining the place and the incidents. These incidents going on in Syria are among the portents of the appearance of Mahdi (pbuh) as well. As per the incidents in Libya, Muammar Gaddafi is one of the last remnants of the time of cruel tyrants. Our Prophet (saas) foretold that at the time of Mahdi (pbuh) the cruel tyrants would one by one be withdrawn from the stage of history. He is among the final tyrants. He will be gone as well. In fact he has already gone. Other cruel tyrants will be gone as well. Following those, our Prophet (saas) says; "Mohammad Mahdi who will be one of my sons will appear." He is from the line of Hazrat Ali (ra). And Hazrat Ali (ra) is from the line of the Prophet David (pbuh). King David, Hazrat David as you know. So Mahdi will be a descendant of the Prophet David (pbuh) at the same time. He will establish peace, brotherhood and love in the whole region. The time of cruel tyrants has ended. The time of tyrants, dajjals [anti-messiah] has ended. From now on, we are entering a time in which peace, democracy, brotherhood, love, goodness, science, arts and aesthetics, all kinds of beauties would prevail. We will live this. Israel will be living by the most beautiful days of her history as well. They will be living freely in that endless vast lands, in the promised land. They will establish factories, facilities all around. I mean they will be as free as the birds. Their safety of lives will be ensured. They will live in joy. Your hearts should be very much at ease in that respect as well. Our Palestinian brothers will also live freely in the region, in the promised lands in utmost joy. The children of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh) and the children of the Prophet Israel (pbuh) will embrace each other. Consequently a period of peace and brotherhood will start. Not even a drop of blood would be shed and those asleep would not be awakened. Our Prophet (saas) has a hadith in that context. Moreover, not even a nose of a person would ever bleed. That is a characteristic of the time of Mahdi (pbuh) mentioned in the hadiths. Now we are entering that period. Within 5-10 years you will come to see that all those I have just said are true insha'Allah.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Insha'Allah. I have another question. Today we hear in Egypt, for example, many voices especially on the Islamic new parties which are of the Muslim Brotherhood, they call to cancel the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt. What do you think about this?
ADNAN OKTAR: The peace treaty should not be cancelled on the contrary it should be enforced even further. Eliminating wars and demanding peace is a necessity of Islam anyway. "Silm" equals Peace. That is the meaning of being a Muslim, that is the meaning of Islam. A Muslim is always charged with advocating peace, love and brotherhood. Of course, the one to do this is, I am saying it again, the King Messiah, that is the Mohammed Mahdi (pbuh). Apart from him, this will not be granted to any other individual or a group or a party or a government. Allah has charged the Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah, with this peace. Other than that, there are those who demand war, who demand fights, and those who are in the middle. They all are living by their destiny within the flow of the history. We see that all these problems will be solved in the time of Mahdi (pbuh).
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Another question which occurs to me is what is the Islamic approach to events like American or European invasion to places like Iraq to oust, actually a dictator, "Imam Ja'ir" as in the Islamic tradition. And everyone knows that the, "afdalu 'l-jihadi kalimatu haqqin 'inda sultanin ja'irin" means that "the best jihad is a jihad against a ruler, a tyrant ruler" for example like Saddam Hussein. So was this act of the Americans and the Europeans against Saddam justified according to the Islam?
ADNAN OKTAR:Blood is bad everywhere. Every single bullet fired from a gun is a movement contrary to the system of the Mahdi (pbuh). I mean there is no good or bad when it comes to shedding blood. Bloodshed is always something that we should abstain from. As a feature of the time of the Mahdi (pbuh), our Prophet (saas) states that "not even a drop of blood will be shed." There is no such thing like there is good bloodshed or bad bloodshed. And the Prophet (saas) does not say bad blood should be shed or shedding of good blood should be stopped. Consequently all kinds of bloodshed should be refrained from.
I have made an attempt to ensure that Saddam would be removed from his post with decency. I have had articles published as the headlines of big papers in Turkey. I have said, "take your family, go with them, the safety of your lives would be ensured." Pentagon supported this idea as well. There had been some other news articles in that respect. Moreover the American government said they would follow the Islamic press more closely. But the man, Saddam, came out to be a psychopath and he did not listen to our advice. He acted as a bully. This is a characteristic of such men in general; these men act as bullies but at the same time they are very coward and unreasonable, they simply live such a dishonorable life and die contemptibly. Allah created their destiny like that; therefore he lived by his destiny.
As a matter of fact, our Prophet (saas) stated that such incidents would take place in Iraq. Even more, he informed that an army would disappear in the desert, all of a sudden. He told that the Iraqi army would disappear in the desert. As a matter of fact the Iraqi army did disappear in the desert within one night just like what our Prophet (saas) stated in the hadiths. And our Prophet (saas) said that Iraq would be invaded by soldiers coming from foreign countries. It happened just in that way. It is also mentioned in the Torah that Iraq, that is Babylon, would be invaded. Consequently the events in the destiny are happening. Destiny always brings goodness. I mean whatever Allah does, He creates with goodness. He calls into being with goodness. For that reason, we approach the destiny Allah created with love, beauty, well-being and submission.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Another question which I have is what do you, Mr. Oktar, think about the struggle between Iran today and practically the whole world or the West at least, about the Iranian nuclear program which the United Nations is against and many countries are against it regardless of Israel. It's not a problem of Israel, it's actually a problem for the world and especially for the Gulf. How would you relate to this?
ADNAN OKTAR:The greatest mistake in Iran, the biggest mistake in the Iranian belief, is this belief in the lost Mahdi (pbuh). I mean they have been talking about an invisible, a ghost Mahdi (pbuh) for more than a thousand years. Actually, the Mahdi (pbuh) is a normal individual born from a mother and a father. He is similar to a prophet or to a normal saintly person who will live for a certain time and he will have a childhood period as well as his youth. I mean he is not a ghost that has been living for more than a thousand years. Consequently that is a danger in this respect. I am drawing attention to this. That is because they have a belief that the Mahdi (pbuh) may appear as light, or an image of a face appearing in any place, or in the form of a body and that even his voice might be heard. That is of course highly risky. I mean if the Chief of General Staff of Iran were to say "I have heard the voice of the Mahdi (pbuh) and he said 'you are to raze this country into the ground'," I mean in that case that person would either be in a position to stand against the Mahdi or act according to what he says. Since he would not be able to stand against him, then he would have to do what he [the Mahdi] told him to. Then he would be pressing on that button in front of him and raze whichever country into the ground. This comes to mind. I am expounding the fallacy of this belief. I mean this is of course a very vehement mistake. We are striving to overcome this.
But Iran's becoming a nuclear threat… I cannot say that it is impossible for Iran to become one, of course. I mean that is a possibility. I mean in this situation, according to this belief there is that risk, it might happen. But if they give up this belief they cannot do that. I mean if they believe that the Mahdi (pbuh) is a normal person who is born from a mother and father. That is because the Mahdi (pbuh) will be a reasonable, compassionate, merciful and just person. But here the person is talking about a vision. He says that a voice will come to their ears. I mean that is a very dangerous thing. This shows a schizophrenic spirit. I mean in schizophrenia voices come to one's ear. Therefore, this is surely a threat. But would they bring that to a point to throw atomic bombs? Since there is such a risk, as you know, a radar base is being built in Malatya as an act of NATO. If Iran makes such an attempt anyhow, there will be a technological implementation that would catch the missiles before they reach the target. By that means, it would not be possible for Israel or any other country to be subjected to a nuclear attack. Turkey has adopted a very elegant behavior and a very loving attitude in that respect; and this is a very apparent indication that shows Turkey's love and protectiveness towards Israel. Taking all kinds of risks, Turkey has accepted a missile shield project that would protect especially Israel. This NATO base will be established on her own land, in the city of Malatya. For that reason, being under a nuclear threat is unthinkable for either Europe or Israel, it is technically unimaginable.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Another question which I have absolutely no idea is, how do you see the future of a place like Afghanistan where it has been more than 10 years since the war started there, and nobody sees an end to this war? And what is the dangers to the future of Afghanistan led by the Taliban?
ADNAN OKTAR:There will always be radical elements, meaning those who interpret Islam according to their own minds, those who interpret Islam as if it were a religion of violence, a religion of brutality will always appear, without the appearance of the Mahdi, without the Mahdi stepping in. Some will act despotically, some will become suicide bombers, some will act like a psychopath. Some will do crazy things like Saddam, a thousand and one different types of crazy, a thousand and one different types of psychopaths might pervade the world. I mean this can come up from any other religion not only from Islam. Allah shows us from every respect that the Mahdi (pbuh), the King Messiah, Moshiach is the solution. This is the reason why Torah stresses on this that extensively and the reason why Allah emphasizes Moshiach, the Mahdi (pbuh) with utmost significance. I mean there is no other solution at the moment. There can be no solution other than the Mahdi. It is the King Messiah, meaning the Mahdi who is the solution for Afghanistan and for the entire weird and wrong applications as well.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Another question, with your permission, is about what happens today in Europe. We see today that Switzerland has a law against the minarets, we see laws in France against the hijab and the burqa. Also we see this in the Netherlands, and also in some parts of Germany. There are laws against the things which are sacred for Islam. What do you say about this?
ADNAN OKTAR:Two different powers are clashing with one another in the world. One side is the believers in Allah, the other side is the proponents of the dajjal. What do we call the dajjal in English? The proponents of the antichrist and the proponents of the Mahdi (pbuh) are in an intense struggle at the moment. What do the proponents of the antichrist do? The proponents of the dajjal attack the Jews, they attempt to take their kippas from their heads, they attempt to burn down the churches of the Christians, they bomb the mosques of the Muslims, they attempt to tear down the minarets, they mock the Jews, they mock the Christians, they mock the Muslims. Consequently there is an intense and fierce struggle in between the army of the dajjal and the proponents of the Mahdi (pbuh). However, the system of the Mahdi (pbuh) will victoriously come out from this struggle with peace, love, brotherhood, wisdom, science, democracy and art. We will altogether see this but we will cooperate. The devout Christians, the devout Jews and the devout Muslims will be in cooperation. Then the Jews will be able to perform their religious observances comfortably, Christians will be able to perform their religious observances freely and no one would interfere with their holy values. No one will be able to interfere with the holy values of Muslims either, the irreligious and atheists will be under complete assurance. They will all be shown respect and value under equal conditions as individuals.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Another question which is connected to current issues is the fact that many Christians which you kindly mentioned are actually running away from all the countries in the Middle East. We see them running away from Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and from many other places and the population of Christians in the Middle East today is like half as what it was until about ten years ago. What can be said about this?
ADNAN OKTAR:This for instance is a very major persecution, it is a grave immorality. It is cruelty. Allah entrusts them to us. They are under the protection of Muslims. Allah will ask the account of that from Muslims. When Christians from Najran visited our Prophet (saas), he used to take his cloak off and lay it under them and he showed them utmost love and compassion. Allah has specifically given special commands in the Qur'an about them. Muslims can marry [women from] the People of the Book; I mean Muslims can marry both Christian and Jewish women, those are ladies from the People of the Book. And Muslims treat them kindly and compassionately. I mean you know how fond would a man be of his spouse, how respectful would he be. That is because she is the mother of his children. Would he ever make a mistake in respect? He would not. Consequently her visiting the church or a synagogue is not something that would bother a Muslim. Everyone is free in his thought and belief. Consequently we are of course condemning the persecution carried out. We say that this is an abnormal act, an act of the dajjal. We regard it very important to ensure that there will be no interference to the belief of neither Christians, nor Jews or of people from any other faith.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Thank you very much for this idea. Unfortunately, very few people in the Middle East think this way and as you can see, the population of Christians which ran away from Egypt and Iraq and other places in the Middle East, in the West is growing when people run away. By the way, not only Christians also intellectuals today in Egypt are running away because of the deteriorating situation in Egypt, the economy, which became since the revolution much worse, and now many intellectuals are running to live in London or in the United States of America because they cannot find themselves in this 'Arab Spring' which we see today which actually they see nowhere where it goes. Where do you think the Middle East is going in this 'Spring' which we saw in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Yemen, and of course Libya , Syria, and maybe Iraq as well, Algeria might be on the way. Where do you think all the Middle East is going to?
ADNAN OKTAR:There will be a great Turkish-Islamic Union and there will be the Unity of Islam in the leadership of Turkey. This is a fact predestined to take place in the end times as foretold by our Prophet (saas). A beautiful aspect of this is that it will be established in the leadership of the Mahdi (pbuh). The Mahdi (pbuh) will take the lead in other words the King Messiah will take dominion. And he will be the means to significant events that the entire world will marvel at. A splendid civilization will be established. There will be an unprecedented comfort, an unprecedented wealth. People will be saved from the pains and the ordeals they have been suffering. Lives will last longer. And with the descent of the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh) on the earth from the Sight of Allah - we believe that the Prophet Jesus Messiah did come - he will unite with the King Messiah, that is he will unite with the Mahdi. The Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh) will be his vizier, he will be the vizier of the Mahdi (pbuh) and they will together make peace and beauty dominate the world in the full sense of the word. There will be an environment of entire peace, full security and complete "silm", insha'Allah. Islam will dominate the world with all its glory. Bigotry, fanaticism, violence will disappear. Everyone will be free in their beliefs and their opinions.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: I must mention that last night a very bad thing happened here in Israel. Some criminals burned a mosque in one of the Arab villages in the northern part of Israel. And I know that now the Hakham Bashi [Chief Rabbi] of Israel is going to the north, to the mosque, to help clean and renovate it and bring it back to the Beytüllah as it should be. Of course, violence happens in many places and unfortunately also here in Israel but the question is to what extent the governments in Israel and other places should implement law and order in order to push aside all the extremists and the violent people wherever they are and however they have; meaning how much democracy can there be in the Middle East in order to crush down all those criminals who would like to burn everything which they want?
ADNAN OKTAR:Allah has shown the way to the Jews in the Torah. He described the Messiah as a Savior. I mean the Messiah is not fiction, he is not a legend, he is the truth. He has been described to the Muslims as the Mahdi. Allah does not tell a story or a legend. Allah specified the time as the End Times and this time has already come. They should accept the Mahdi as their Savior, as their leader and the devout Christians, Jews and Muslims will cooperate and clear away the matter. Otherwise the psychopaths, criminals, murderers, furious Marxist, Leninist terrorists whose souls have been darkened with the Darwinist, materialist training will do whatever they want in the absence of rivals. Actually this is what happens. Sincere believers must come together right away. Muslims should overcome the conflicts in between themselves. Devout Christians, devout Jews and devout Muslims should remove this corruption by helping and supporting each other in the full sense of the word and that is what will happen anyway.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Well, very good. I think this is the only way to establish peace because politicians in many places have failed to find peace between people and between groups. Only when men of religion, imams and rabbis, priests will unite in order to bring peace together to earth, this will be the foundation, the real foundation for peace all over the world and this should come maybe from Turkey, as a place which always hosted all the religions very peacefully; of course Islam, Christianity, Judaism. And we Jews here in Israel will never forget the Ottoman Empire which actually started the possibility for Jews to come back to their forefathers' land and to build what would later become the state of Israel. The whole thing started in the days of the Ottoman Empire and we really remember it. And even when there is clash, there is some kind of tension between Israel and Turkey, those who know history know very well that Turkey actually was the beginning of the Zionist movement, and allowed Herzl and other leaders, first leaders of the Zionist movement, to come to this country, and to settle in this country, and to establish which later became the state of Israel. So maybe, from Turkey, will come the call to all the nations to unite under the umbrella of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, in order to bring peace to all the regions of the world.
ADNAN OKTAR: That is very nice. Allah made you speak very nicely. Insha'Allah we will see these beautiful days. You are entrusted to us by Allah. The children of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), the children of the Prophet Israel (pbuh), the children of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh), you will all live the beautiful life that you deserve insha'Allah. We are at the time of the King Messiah, we are at a beautiful time, at the time of the Mahdi (pbuh). May Allah give your hearts openness, relief and peace. Turkey is a friend for you. Let your hearts be at ease. Turkey will protect you at the risk of her life and she is taking the precautions that will protect you. Let your hearts be at ease at that matter. This explanation is valid for the whole region, not only for Israel. Turkey is determined to protect the whole region at the risk of her own life. We are friends for you and we love you very much. We embrace you all with love. I am sending my greetings to all my Muslim brothers, Christians and Jews. And I am presenting my respect and love to you.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: It is my pleasure and honor.
ADNAN OKTAR:I will be glad if you come.
DR. MORDECHAI KEDAR: Insha'Allah. Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha'Allah. Wa Alaina Alaikum Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu. Respects and love.