Mr. Adnan Oktar's conversation with his guests from Jordan and Palestine (22 May 2018)
Bülent: Good day to our viewers. We are starting our program "Pleasant Conversations". Mr. Oktar, we have very esteemed guests tonight from Jordan and Pelestine. I would like to introduce them.
Sheikh Nasr al-Tamimi. He comes from Hebron, Palestine. He is a member of Tablighi Jamaat Organization. He runs the Dar al-Arqam schools in the Holy Land. He has extensive works for establishing peace between Palestine and Israel.
Sheikh Dr. Shadi Al Tamimi, he is our guest from Jordan. He is a relative of Sheikh Nasr al-Tamimi. He studied sharia and Islamic studies in Saudi Arabia for years and he has a Ph.D. from Madina University. He is also a scholar of hadith. He works as an imam in a mosque in Amman. Previously he worked as a teacher in various schools.
We have another guest from Jordan, Dr. Abdullah Swalha. He is the founder and director of Center for Israel Studies (CIS). Since 2014, he works as the Secretary of Jordanian Political Science Association. Dr. Swalha has a Ph.D. from Cairo University in Comparative Political Systems. Dr. Swalha's research focuses on religion and democracy in Israel, Israeli&Palestinian political process, democratization, religion and state, religion and democracy. He also has an MA in international relations from University of Jordan, before establishing Center for Israel Studies, Dr.Swalha served at Government Spokesman Office, and he also served as teaching assistant in political science department of University of Jordan.
Adnan Oktar: You are all welcome. You have graced us with your presence. You have honoured us by coming to our program. You have been very kind to come. We are very pleased to see you among us.
Guests: Thank you.
Adnan Oktar: You are people pursuing the good. You are working for the peace and beauty among people. You are blessed people who try your best for Muslims to unite, to be brothers. You are well-known in the world for such efforts.
Guests: InshaAllah, inshaAllah.
Adnan Oktar: First we would like to hear beautiful words and good news from our esteemed scholar.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: First of all, we thank Mr. Oktar very much for having us here. We also thank him for inviting us here to discuss all matters concerning Muslims such as faith related issues and hadiths.
Adnan Oktar: We thank you for honoring our invitation.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: Thank you. Almighty God says in His holy book, explaining the message of Prophet (pbuh): “And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds”.
Adnan Oktar: Praise be to God.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: God created mankind so that He puts them on test and shows His attributes and they worship Him and act in accordance with His commandments. If God had not created the mankind, the mankind would not have known that God is The Most Forgiving and that He is The Most Merciful, and He is the One Who forgives guilty people and have mercy on offenders with his mercy, munificence, generosity, openhandedness. And the Message declared by the Prophet (pbuh) is about how people should love each other above all else and it’s based on bringing hearts of people together before calling them toward God and before clashing with them.
Adnan Oktar: Praise be to God.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: And this is the path of all prophets: to bring hearts of people together; have mercy on Muslims and be amiable and respectful toward them; as well as bring together people of other religions, in order to to fulfill our duty related to the call of all prophets about conveying guidance to people.
Adnan Oktar: Praised by God's name, masha'Allah.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: And as stated in the Qur'an, all prophets were minorities and were lacking weaponry or great number of supporters. Prophet Abraham (pbuh), Prophet Noah (pbuh), Prophet Moses (pbuh), Prophet Jesus (pbuh), all of them triumphed by calling for the right, not by armies, hordes, nor weaponry.
Adnan Oktar: Praise be to God.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: Almighty God gave Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) a state, not because he sought establishing a state, but because he exerted effort with religion and worked on guiding people, so people followed him, and entered into the religion of God in multitudes. It became like a gift from God: He had the Prophet establish justice and equality in this state. Thus He revealed the just and righteous way for all to behold.
Adnan Oktar: Praised by God's name, masha'Allah.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: The Prophet's (pbuh) life can be summarized in two aspects. At first, when he was in Mecca and powerless, with a small number of companions and followers, he would urge the believers to exercise patience and saying that the heaven would be promised to them.
When people entered into the religion of Allah in multitudes, and his number of his followers (pbuh) increased, and he then had the strength also when he entered Mecca as a conqueror, he said: “What do you think of the treatment that I should accord you?” They said: “Mercy, O Prophet of Allah. You are a good person.We expect nothing but good from you.” They had abused him before, kicked him out, and killed his uncle Hamza. But he said: “Go your way, for you are free.” So, when he was weak, he was patient; and when he was strong with sufficient power, he was merciful and tolerant.
We ask Almighty God that the Islamic Ummah, Islamic leaderships, and Muslim politicians rise to accomplish this matter with approach of the Prophet (pbuh). As this approach has the potential of triumph, success, and empowerment. With this approach, the rightful owners obtain their standing among other nations that don’t even want to follow the right. May God put them on the righteous path and keep them on it. Almighty God supports believers, and restrain evil of bad people.
Adnan Oktar: Insha'Allah.
Sheikh Nasser al-Tamimi: In this occasion, I conclude with extending our thanks and appreciation to a model of Muslim politician and leader: President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who always seeks dialogue and understanding among civilizations. He presented a sharia-considered initiative, The Alliance of Civilizations Initiative. He always pursued the path of peace, put great effort in this regard, and thwarted the malicious intentions of the evildoers. So, we also thank him for that.
Adnan Oktar: And we thank you for your wonderful words. Listening to Arabic is a distinct beauty. Islam is best expressed in Arabic. It is a lovely language, masha'Allah. You may go ahead now, Master.
Sheikh Dr. Shadi al-Tamimi: Thanks to God; Peace and Prayers be Upon the Messenger of God, his family, companions, and who followed him. I declare that no god but God and Muhammed is His Prophet. This has occurred to me; a hadith was mentioned regarding the ancient civilization that we are currently sitting upon. In that hadith, our Prophet (pbuh) said; " You will conquer Heraclius’s city (Istanbul) and Caesar’s city (Rome)." When asked about which one would be conquered first, he replied, "Constantinople (Istanbul)". This historic city was mentioned, namely, by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He also praised its conqueror, when he said "Great is the commander who will conquer it."
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah.
Sheikh Dr. Shadi al-Tamimi: We also remember that the Companions would compete among themselves to earn his praise and be a part of the army that would conquer Istanbul. And we know that Abu Ayyub al-Ansari is buried under the walls of Istanbul and that there is a tomb here to his name. He was one the first members of armies that surrounded the city to conquer it, and to let its people enter this great religion.
Abu Ayyub al-Ansari is the companion who host Prophet Muhammad in his house when he came to Medina as a Muhajir (emigrant). When our Prophet (pbuh) migrated to Medina, Abu Ayyub al-Ansari was the first Companion to greet him and welcome him to his house. And God granted Abu Ayyub al-Ansari the honor to be buried in this blessed city, which God sent his blessing upon it with its people entering into Islam. and made them later the Caliphs leading the whole Islamic World for long centuries. When Arabs were underdeveloped and far from religion, our brother Turks, who share with us the same religion, were the ones who carry the flag of Caliphate and calling toward God for very long centuries until God wills.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah, praise be to God.
Sheikh Dr. Shadi al-Tamimi: And you, our Turk brothers and sisters, have the great virtue of carrying the banner of Islam at the forefront in the past. God will reward you both in this life and the hereafter for this virtue of yours. You will be the everlasting flagbearers of Islam, meet the expectations of God, carrying the flag of this great religion until you meet Allah, glorified and exalted be He, and he will be pleased with you.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah, praise be to God. Insha'Allah.
Sheikh Dr. Shadi al-Tamimi: And Peace and Prayers be Upon Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), his family and companions. Many thanks to you, and may God reward you well for your hospitality, and may He bless you and your efforts.
Adnan Oktar: You have come here like angels, like the ones who came to Prophet Abraham. Masha'Allah.
Guests: Masha'Allah, praise be to God.
Adnan Oktar: You speak Arabic wonderfully. Being able to speak Arabic is a blessing. I wish we could speak Arabic like you do. Discussing Islam in Arabic is a wholly different beauty. You gave an erudite and pleasant speech, and for that, may God bless you. Your modest, respectful and loving attitude is wonderful. May God grant you long and healthy lives. May God make us meet as brothers in heaven. May He grant you the honor to witness the Islamic Unity. May He grant you the opportunity to elect a head to lead all Muslims. Insha'Allah, by virtue of such precious scholars like yourselves, we will attain this wonderful blessing. Insha'Allah. You may go ahead, Master.
Dr. Abdullah Swalha: First of all, I would like to express my joy and gratitude for being here. We thank you very much. We also thank you for inviting here and giving us the opportunity in these hard times to talk about this vital matters that concern the Ummah, Islam and Arabs.
Adnan Oktar: It is an honor, a blessing, a privilege for us.
Dr. Abdullah Swalha: I believe that the most dangerous problem facing Muslims today is the conflict over interpretation and understanding of Islam, and (conflict) over who is the party that represents the right Islam. There are different schools in the Islamic World. Everyone claims he adopts or represents the right Islam.
In my thoughts, the most dangerous party that tries to represent Islam is the hardliners and the extremists, whom we witnessed during the last years, such as Daesh or ISIS and others of hardliner movements. They present Islam as a religion of bloodshed, slaughter, death and war.
Adnan Oktar: You are right.
Dr. Abdullah Swalha: Hence, I see the most important mission, and you can help us in this matter, is how can we find a united religion reference for Islam, or a united unanimous interpretation. The key concept in Islam, as I think, is respecting differences and honouring sources of agreement that all of us as Muslims can agree about without going into details which lead to doctrinal and sectarian disagreements. Thus, (it leads to) political disagreements.
And to that end, I propose that you become a leader in this regard, provide a good interpretation, pursue the path of dialogue, and find a middle ground with Christians and Jews. There are some rivalries among the Islamic movements so it is also important for schools of Islam, that every school accepts the others. The problem we face in the Islamic World is that we have some who don’t want the opposite point of view, and don’t want to open the way for plurality of opinions.
There are feelings of resentment within and around Islam, and its relation with other religions. These resentments should give way to a mutual attitude of respect and tolerance. Our common and important duty to redraw the image of Islam in the whole world in a collective picture and foster a deep awareness among Muslims, especially among Islamic communities in Europe. You have good relations particularly with the West. So it is also our duty to display to the West how tolerant, respectful, loving and generous Islam is. Thank you.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah. Your discourse is similar to that of Gabriel (pbuh) in the sense that it is sincere, truthful, honest, genuine and in connection with God. Indeed, all power rests with God. It is God Who creates the dajjal [antichrist] movement. It is God Who also creates its adversary. You rank among the adversaries of the dajjal, and so do we. It is clear that God eased our path. Those who rule the world are wise people. The unwise are always doomed to defeat. This is what God says in the Qur’an and He always keeps His word. God also says He will ease the path of the good. God will ease our path, a fact we will witness in the following years, insha'Allah. There are great many wise, reasonable, level-headed, consistent people among Muslims. We will never leave Islam at the hands of erratic, loveless, merciless, ruthless, bloodthirsty people. We will also protect the other servants of God. We will watch over Christians and Jews, whether they need or not. And they will watch over us, as well. We will look after everyone, even the atheists. We will treat them all with compassion. The time of those who try to present Islam as a religion of brutality has almost come to an end. Islamic states are currently ruled by wise, level-headed leaders who are in touch with each other. I believe that all these issues will have been resolved by 2023.
Adnan Oktar: Let's keep in touch more often. Let's extol love. Let's proceed on our path and we will be the victors, insha'Allah. May God increase you in strength and means. May God greatly boost your influence. May He make us band together and act in unison. May God save us from egocentricity and arrogance, may He grant us modest lives. May He grant us the honor to fully abide by, practice and understand the Qur'an. May He display to the entire world the reign of Islam in all its fairness and compassion in the End Times. The evildoers will cause major incidents worldwide, but ultimately the good will overcome them and prevail. The rise of the evildoers will see a gradual increase in the coming years. As you know, this is God's tradition. First He creates Nimrod, than He creates Abraham. First He creates Pharaoh, then Moses. There are Nimrods and Pharaohs in the modern times as well. But they will suffer defeat. The world will be free of wars and terror. Everyone will come together in bonds of brotherhood. Everyone will talk about God.
Adnan Oktar: Disbelievers fail to realize that all power rests with God. They will witness in astonishment how the word of God always comes true. We will abolish weapons and wars. Only love, friendship, peace and brotherhood will remain. Muslims will enjoy utmost freedom. Christians will enjoy utmost freedom. Jews will enjoy utmost freedom. They will practice beliefs to their hearts' content in a free and amicable climate. They will continue to spread the beautiful moral values to the world.
Mr. Tamimi has given me a beautiful bead made of ivory and amber embroidered with silver and coral. It is a gorgeous bead. Normally, I do not immediately use beads, but this time was an exception. I thank Mr. Tamimi very much for his gift. The hadiths herald the coming of a person named Tamimi in the End Times. Insha'Allah, the hadiths are referring to you. Our Prophet reiterates again and again that a person named Tamimi will come. I hope you are the ones he is referring to, insha'Allah. May God bless you for honoring us with your presence. You are our guests. We will meet and have discussions again.
Guests: Insha'Allah. Amen.
Adnan Oktar: May God grant us the opportunity to always stand by each other's side both in this world and in heaven. May Almighty God grant victory to His party.